13:02:17 <gwd> #startmeeting Virt SIG
13:02:17 <centbot> Meeting started Tue Apr  7 13:02:17 2015 UTC.  The chair is gwd. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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13:02:24 <gwd> #chair lsm5
13:02:24 <centbot> Current chairs: gwd lsm5
13:02:30 <gwd> #chair sbonazzo
13:02:30 <centbot> Current chairs: gwd lsm5 sbonazzo
13:02:35 * alphacc around if cbs question
13:02:49 <gwd> alphacc: Cool, thanks.
13:03:27 <gwd> kbsingh lars_kurth ping
13:06:11 <gwd> OK, well let's get started.
13:06:33 <gwd> Shall we start with ovirt this time?
13:06:40 <gwd> #topic oVirt update
13:06:51 <sbonazzo> gwd: no much progress here
13:06:59 <sbonazzo> #info opened a bug requesting the CBS tag hierarchy to be created
13:07:07 <sbonazzo> #link http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=8407
13:07:16 <sbonazzo> gwd that's all on ovirt side
13:07:33 <alphacc> sbonazzo: I added a comment
13:07:38 <gwd> sbonazzo: OK, cool
13:08:03 <sbonazzo> alphacc: thanks
13:08:13 <alphacc> sbonazzo: if we want to be able to have release per project ovirt-33 , ovirt-34, etc...
13:08:52 <dcaro> sbonazzo: let me know if I can help anyhow
13:09:16 <sbonazzo> alphacc: commented. I think we can start with 3.5 and 3.6
13:09:25 <gwd> OK, Shall we discuss that in another topic, after we do the updatse?
13:10:14 <gwd> #topic Docker update
13:10:16 <gwd> lsm5?
13:10:18 <lsm5> yup..
13:11:07 <lsm5> #info 1.5.0 tagged into virt7-release, 1.6.0-rc5 built for virt7-testing (1.6.0 will be released upstream today), also I plan to build rkt into virt7-testing soon-ish
13:11:15 <lsm5> that's about it
13:11:17 <Evolution> out of curiosity, does docker still belong in the virt-sig, or would that make more sense to align under atomic?
13:11:31 <Evolution> opinions?
13:11:34 <lsm5> i'm ok either way
13:12:23 <lsm5> I guess people in atomic SIG do heavily depend on docker, while those in virt-sig, probably not as much
13:12:39 <Evolution> gwd: opinion?
13:12:43 * gwd thinks
13:14:07 <gwd> Well lsm5 is working on providing standard packages for using docker, just like I'm provide packages for using Xen.  The Atomic sig is more focused on producing an image, right?
13:14:41 <gwd> I guess it depends in part on where lsm5 thinks the most synergies will be.
13:15:42 <gwd> I'd have to think about it more, but my 120-second take on it is it would make more sense to stay in the virt sig.  But I'm easy either way. :-)
13:16:01 <lsm5> we could check with the atomic sig too if that helps
13:16:32 * lsm5 doesn't mind being in both SIGs at the same time either :)
13:16:49 <gwd> #idea Docker to move to Project Atomic
13:17:26 <gwd> #action lsm5 to bring it up with Project Atomic and see what they think
13:17:39 <lsm5> yup
13:17:41 <gwd> Why don't we think about it and come back to it next time?
13:17:50 <lsm5> sounds good
13:18:15 <gwd> #agreed Think about where Docker fits best, talk about it in 2 weeks
13:18:56 <gwd> #topic Xen update
13:19:11 <gwd> #info Release 4.4.1-10 with XSAs
13:19:28 <gwd> #info 4.4.2 released upstream, will pull that in in a few weeks
13:19:46 <gwd> #info Figured out problem with C7 kernel build, now that builds
13:20:06 <gwd> #info Now working on dependencies for C7 Xen build, hope to have something later this week.
13:20:39 <gwd> Any questions re Xen update?
13:21:57 <gwd> #topic CBS Tag heirarchy
13:22:26 <gwd> #idea Make it similar to other sigs: {signame}{major}-{project}-{release}
13:22:40 <gwd> #link http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=8407
13:24:09 <gwd> alphacc: What's the rationale behind adding the {release}?
13:30:10 <gwd> OK -- well he seems to have disappeared... any other business, lsm5 sbonazzo kbsingh lars_kurth ?
13:30:21 <lsm5> nope
13:30:43 <lars_kurth> gwd: I only just got in - have nothing to add
13:31:04 <alphacc> gwd : to not get stuck if you have // developement
13:31:47 <alphacc> gwd: and so all sig have same structure
13:32:02 <alphacc> gwd: it is a bit easier to script/manage
13:32:09 <gwd> alphacc: ie., so you could continue to issue updates to (say) Xen 4.4, while you work on getting Xen 4.6 working?
13:32:25 <alphacc> gwd: yes the buildroot will be different
13:32:45 <alphacc> 4.4 will have -candidate -testing -release and so 4.6
13:33:30 <alphacc> Each release will have it own set of repos
13:34:27 <gwd> Hmm, might make it easier to have "bleeding edge" builds of upstream RC's or something too.
13:35:06 <gwd> But would there be a tag for the currently recommended "stable" release as well?
13:35:30 <gwd> i.e., so users can automatically be updated from 4.4 -> 4.6 when we think it's ready?
13:35:30 <alphacc> having this structure make it easy to evolve ; worst case if there is only one release we call it "current"
13:35:57 <alphacc> gwd: yes the final repo can be something compeltely different
13:37:00 <gwd> alphacc: OK, thanks.  That makes sense.
13:37:50 <alphacc> gwd: I am focusing on a way to use koji efficiently for different release and not having too many blockers
13:37:50 <gwd> In general I think there's a value to doing the Standard Thing unless there's a reason to do things differently.
13:38:26 <gwd> lsm5: Any thoughts on the proposed tag structure?  If you're OK with it I think we can probably just go with it for now.
13:38:38 <sbonazzo> gwd no other business
13:38:59 <alphacc> gwd: anyway all that can evolve and we can reshuffle before we have a centpkg release
13:41:41 <gwd> OK, why don't we ask lsm5 to take a quick look and comment on the bug regarding what he thinks.
13:41:59 <gwd> If he approves it then we can go ahead and follow the standard SIG layout suggested by alphacc.
13:42:01 <gwd> Sound reasonable?
13:42:19 <alphacc> gwd: good for me
13:42:37 <alphacc> gwd: I push the new scripts to cbs-tools supporting the new layout so I am ready when you are.
13:42:53 <alphacc> s/\push/pushed
13:43:07 <gwd> #action lsm5 Look at http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=8407 and give feedback
13:43:26 <gwd> OK, I think that's it -- if nobody has any other business, I'll close the meeting.
13:43:31 <alphacc> gwd: just let me know for each project which release you want
13:43:33 <lsm5> gwd: yup
13:44:36 <gwd> alphacc: So I guess the new tags will all start out empty -- we'll have to re-submit builds for each package we want in any given tag?
13:44:49 <lsm5> gwd: sounds good, but might need to wait until we decide where docker lives, atomic or virt ??
13:45:30 <gwd> lsm5: I don't think it would be hard to delete docker as  a project if we decide to move.
13:45:54 <gwd> OK, so
13:46:03 <gwd> #agreed Proposed tag structure sounds good to everyone
13:46:22 <lsm5> yup
13:46:51 <gwd> OK, thanks everyone!
13:46:52 <gwd> #endmeeting