Why Gnome?
Re: Why Gnome?
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voltrem wrote:
I wonder why the developers chose Gnome as the default desktop manager for CentOS. I like KDE much more for the reasons that you probably know. And also you might wanna have a look at these:
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8745257437.html
http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=talkbacks&Post=391[/quote]
It's a pretty simple choice for me. I usually just go with distribution's default desktop. When I used openSUSE -- my backup/test computer still runs it -- I used KDE 3.5.x (I didn't like the early KDE 4.x installs I tried). When I used VectorLinux I just used Xfce. With Debian I tried both KDE and Gnome -- an liked Gnome, partly because I was installing it on lower powered machines. When I came back to CentOS, I went with Gnome. Mostly because it's the default, but partly because it's a little lighter -- and, as I've learned a bit more about Linux, I don't need to depend so much on the graphic "Control Panel" tools that made KDE more attractive for me earlier. When I first came to Linux my object was to make it look like Windows. Getting Windows fonts was easier for me in KDE -- now I find I really don't like Microsoft fonts anymore. In this install I replaced the default fonts with their Liberation equivalents and I like them a lot. I've also learned to customize Gnome to make it a bit more like KDE but still Gnome. I always get rid of the top panel and condense and combine everything on to the bottom panel -- set up single clicking -- and change the default file browser to open folders in a browser window (because I hate a million opened windows). I also remove the location bar and side pane from browser windows. And I change the default size of the icons to 75%. I know KDE is slicker looking -- but that doesn't matter much to me anymore. I've always liked the Blue Curve theme -- it seems clean. (I realize you can get that with KDE, too.)
The shorter answer. Gnome seems a little lighter and seems a little quicker. I've never really measured it, but that's my perception.
(Sorry to ramble.)
Ron
voltrem wrote:
I wonder why the developers chose Gnome as the default desktop manager for CentOS. I like KDE much more for the reasons that you probably know. And also you might wanna have a look at these:
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8745257437.html
http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=talkbacks&Post=391[/quote]
It's a pretty simple choice for me. I usually just go with distribution's default desktop. When I used openSUSE -- my backup/test computer still runs it -- I used KDE 3.5.x (I didn't like the early KDE 4.x installs I tried). When I used VectorLinux I just used Xfce. With Debian I tried both KDE and Gnome -- an liked Gnome, partly because I was installing it on lower powered machines. When I came back to CentOS, I went with Gnome. Mostly because it's the default, but partly because it's a little lighter -- and, as I've learned a bit more about Linux, I don't need to depend so much on the graphic "Control Panel" tools that made KDE more attractive for me earlier. When I first came to Linux my object was to make it look like Windows. Getting Windows fonts was easier for me in KDE -- now I find I really don't like Microsoft fonts anymore. In this install I replaced the default fonts with their Liberation equivalents and I like them a lot. I've also learned to customize Gnome to make it a bit more like KDE but still Gnome. I always get rid of the top panel and condense and combine everything on to the bottom panel -- set up single clicking -- and change the default file browser to open folders in a browser window (because I hate a million opened windows). I also remove the location bar and side pane from browser windows. And I change the default size of the icons to 75%. I know KDE is slicker looking -- but that doesn't matter much to me anymore. I've always liked the Blue Curve theme -- it seems clean. (I realize you can get that with KDE, too.)
The shorter answer. Gnome seems a little lighter and seems a little quicker. I've never really measured it, but that's my perception.
(Sorry to ramble.)
Ron
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Re: Why Gnome?
[quote](Sorry to ramble.)[/quote]
No need to be [b]Ron[/b]. That's the point of [i]this[/i] forum -- [i]rambles[/i] and [i]rants[/i] are allowed. (Within obvious limits, of course.)
When I had a very quick test with the [i]Scientific Linux[/i] LiveCD, I downloaded the version without [i]Gnome[/i]. It gave me an [i]IceWM[/i] desktop -- which seemed quite usable to me, a long-time [i]Gnome[/i] user.
One day, when I perform a fresh install, I may not install any desktop -- just the underlying [i]X Windows System[/i]. Then try out the various desktops / GUIs, just for fun.
No need to be [b]Ron[/b]. That's the point of [i]this[/i] forum -- [i]rambles[/i] and [i]rants[/i] are allowed. (Within obvious limits, of course.)
When I had a very quick test with the [i]Scientific Linux[/i] LiveCD, I downloaded the version without [i]Gnome[/i]. It gave me an [i]IceWM[/i] desktop -- which seemed quite usable to me, a long-time [i]Gnome[/i] user.
One day, when I perform a fresh install, I may not install any desktop -- just the underlying [i]X Windows System[/i]. Then try out the various desktops / GUIs, just for fun.
Re: Why Gnome?
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AlanJBartlett wrote:
[quote](Sorry to ramble.)[/quote]
No need to be [b]Ron[/b]. That's the point of [i]this[/i] forum -- [i]rambles[/i] and [i]rants[/i] are allowed. (Within obvious limits, of course.)
When I had a very quick test with the [i]Scientific Linux[/i] LiveCD, I downloaded the version without [i]Gnome[/i]. It gave me an [i]IceWM[/i] desktop -- which seemed quite usable to me, a long-time [i]Gnome[/i] user.
One day, when I perform a fresh install, I may not install any desktop -- just the underlying [i]X Windows System[/i]. Then try out the various desktops / GUIs, just for fun.[/quote]
There are a lot of good ones. PuppyLinux uses JWM and I like it there -- very light and responsive. I've tried several distributions that come with Xfce -- some have done a good job with it -- others, not quite as good. Xubuntu seems slower than CentOS with Gnome (for example).
(Let's see if I turned on my signature this time.)
AlanJBartlett wrote:
[quote](Sorry to ramble.)[/quote]
No need to be [b]Ron[/b]. That's the point of [i]this[/i] forum -- [i]rambles[/i] and [i]rants[/i] are allowed. (Within obvious limits, of course.)
When I had a very quick test with the [i]Scientific Linux[/i] LiveCD, I downloaded the version without [i]Gnome[/i]. It gave me an [i]IceWM[/i] desktop -- which seemed quite usable to me, a long-time [i]Gnome[/i] user.
One day, when I perform a fresh install, I may not install any desktop -- just the underlying [i]X Windows System[/i]. Then try out the various desktops / GUIs, just for fun.[/quote]
There are a lot of good ones. PuppyLinux uses JWM and I like it there -- very light and responsive. I've tried several distributions that come with Xfce -- some have done a good job with it -- others, not quite as good. Xubuntu seems slower than CentOS with Gnome (for example).
(Let's see if I turned on my signature this time.)
Re: Why Gnome?
@Alan, that's what I usually do, uncheck KDE and Gnome and just put in X windows and boot in runlevel 3. I then made a very lame script to choose my window manager.
My favorite is fluxbox, as, for me, it has the best compromise between what I need, which is simply a graphic environment to run browsers, several xterms that can be resized, and other GUI apps, and has a bit of eye candy unlike, say, evilwm and similar.
Many now prefer openbox, but consider the difference in keyboard configuration to move an xterm 50 pixels right.
Fluxbox
Mod4 l :MoveRight50
Openbox
50
My favorite is fluxbox, as, for me, it has the best compromise between what I need, which is simply a graphic environment to run browsers, several xterms that can be resized, and other GUI apps, and has a bit of eye candy unlike, say, evilwm and similar.
Many now prefer openbox, but consider the difference in keyboard configuration to move an xterm 50 pixels right.
Fluxbox
Mod4 l :MoveRight50
Openbox
50
Re: Why Gnome?
I feel like ranting a bit more about "Why Gnome" (although one can probably replace with any desktop).
I had an urge to look at selinux audits (to learn on permissive). Audits from headless server. And our Good Wiki told to setroubleshoot. So I 'yum install setroubleshoot'
[code]Dependencies Resolved
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Package Arch Version Repository Size
=============================================================================
Installing:
setroubleshoot noarch 2.0.5-3.el5 base 135 k
Installing for dependencies:
GConf2 x86_64 2.14.0-9.el5 base 1.5 M
alsa-lib x86_64 1.0.14-1.rc4.el5 base 409 k
audiofile x86_64 1:0.2.6-5 base 107 k
avahi x86_64 0.6.16-1.el5_2.1 updates 255 k
avahi-glib x86_64 0.6.16-1.el5_2.1 updates 14 k
esound x86_64 1:0.2.36-3 base 130 k
gail x86_64 1.9.2-1.fc6 base 352 k
gnome-keyring x86_64 0.6.0-1.fc6 base 166 k
gnome-mime-data x86_64 2.4.2-3.1 base 691 k
gnome-mount x86_64 0.5-3.el5 base 70 k
gnome-python2 x86_64 2.16.0-1.fc6 base 130 k
gnome-python2-bonobo x86_64 2.16.0-1.fc6 base 71 k
gnome-python2-canvas x86_64 2.16.0-1.fc6 base 25 k
gnome-python2-extras x86_64 2.14.2-6.el5 base 24 k
gnome-python2-gnomevfs x86_64 2.16.0-1.fc6 base 69 k
gnome-python2-gtkhtml2 x86_64 2.14.2-6.el5 base 16 k
gnome-vfs2 x86_64 2.16.2-4.el5 base 1.3 M
gtk2 x86_64 2.10.4-20.el5 base 6.5 M
gtkhtml2 x86_64 2.11.0-3 base 182 k
hicolor-icon-theme noarch 0.9-2.1 base 25 k
libart_lgpl x86_64 2.3.17-4 base 75 k
libbonobo x86_64 2.16.0-1.fc6 base 521 k
libbonoboui x86_64 2.16.0-1.fc6 base 394 k
libdaemon x86_64 0.10-5.el5 base 24 k
libglade2 x86_64 2.6.0-2 base 96 k
libgnome x86_64 2.16.0-6.el5 base 860 k
libgnomecanvas x86_64 2.14.0-4.1 base 224 k
libgnomeui x86_64 2.16.0-5.el5 base 984 k
libnotify x86_64 0.4.2-6.el5 base 38 k
libwnck x86_64 2.16.0-4.fc6 base 185 k
libxslt x86_64 1.1.17-2.el5_2.2 updates 488 k
notification-daemon x86_64 0.3.5-9.el5 base 48 k
notify-python x86_64 0.1.0-3.fc6 base 13 k
pycairo x86_64 1.2.0-1.1 base 28 k
pygtk2 x86_64 2.10.1-12.el5 base 1.2 M
pyorbit x86_64 2.14.1-1.1 base 49 k
python-numeric x86_64 23.7-2.2.2 base 804 k
setroubleshoot-plugins noarch 2.0.4-2.el5 base 329 k
setroubleshoot-server noarch 2.0.5-3.el5 base 1.2 M
shared-mime-info x86_64 0.19-5.el5 base 149 k[/code]
:-o
No way. I wanted a text report, not bells and whistles.
Actually, I do wish for one graphical thing: a "grumpy" smiley ...
I had an urge to look at selinux audits (to learn on permissive). Audits from headless server. And our Good Wiki told to setroubleshoot. So I 'yum install setroubleshoot'
[code]Dependencies Resolved
=============================================================================
Package Arch Version Repository Size
=============================================================================
Installing:
setroubleshoot noarch 2.0.5-3.el5 base 135 k
Installing for dependencies:
GConf2 x86_64 2.14.0-9.el5 base 1.5 M
alsa-lib x86_64 1.0.14-1.rc4.el5 base 409 k
audiofile x86_64 1:0.2.6-5 base 107 k
avahi x86_64 0.6.16-1.el5_2.1 updates 255 k
avahi-glib x86_64 0.6.16-1.el5_2.1 updates 14 k
esound x86_64 1:0.2.36-3 base 130 k
gail x86_64 1.9.2-1.fc6 base 352 k
gnome-keyring x86_64 0.6.0-1.fc6 base 166 k
gnome-mime-data x86_64 2.4.2-3.1 base 691 k
gnome-mount x86_64 0.5-3.el5 base 70 k
gnome-python2 x86_64 2.16.0-1.fc6 base 130 k
gnome-python2-bonobo x86_64 2.16.0-1.fc6 base 71 k
gnome-python2-canvas x86_64 2.16.0-1.fc6 base 25 k
gnome-python2-extras x86_64 2.14.2-6.el5 base 24 k
gnome-python2-gnomevfs x86_64 2.16.0-1.fc6 base 69 k
gnome-python2-gtkhtml2 x86_64 2.14.2-6.el5 base 16 k
gnome-vfs2 x86_64 2.16.2-4.el5 base 1.3 M
gtk2 x86_64 2.10.4-20.el5 base 6.5 M
gtkhtml2 x86_64 2.11.0-3 base 182 k
hicolor-icon-theme noarch 0.9-2.1 base 25 k
libart_lgpl x86_64 2.3.17-4 base 75 k
libbonobo x86_64 2.16.0-1.fc6 base 521 k
libbonoboui x86_64 2.16.0-1.fc6 base 394 k
libdaemon x86_64 0.10-5.el5 base 24 k
libglade2 x86_64 2.6.0-2 base 96 k
libgnome x86_64 2.16.0-6.el5 base 860 k
libgnomecanvas x86_64 2.14.0-4.1 base 224 k
libgnomeui x86_64 2.16.0-5.el5 base 984 k
libnotify x86_64 0.4.2-6.el5 base 38 k
libwnck x86_64 2.16.0-4.fc6 base 185 k
libxslt x86_64 1.1.17-2.el5_2.2 updates 488 k
notification-daemon x86_64 0.3.5-9.el5 base 48 k
notify-python x86_64 0.1.0-3.fc6 base 13 k
pycairo x86_64 1.2.0-1.1 base 28 k
pygtk2 x86_64 2.10.1-12.el5 base 1.2 M
pyorbit x86_64 2.14.1-1.1 base 49 k
python-numeric x86_64 23.7-2.2.2 base 804 k
setroubleshoot-plugins noarch 2.0.4-2.el5 base 329 k
setroubleshoot-server noarch 2.0.5-3.el5 base 1.2 M
shared-mime-info x86_64 0.19-5.el5 base 149 k[/code]
:-o
No way. I wanted a text report, not bells and whistles.
Actually, I do wish for one graphical thing: a "grumpy" smiley ...
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Re: Why Gnome?
If this isn't grumpy enough for you: :-x
then how about: :evil: ?
:roll: I'm off for a :pint:
then how about: :evil: ?
:roll: I'm off for a :pint:
Re: Why Gnome?
Emotions are such a subtle thing. [img]http://panzercentral.com/forum/images/emoticons/duh.gif[/img] [img]http://panzercentral.com/forum/images/emoticons/grumpy.gif[/img]
Too bad I don't know where to get the right feeling from. Have to consult the :pint:
Too bad I don't know where to get the right feeling from. Have to consult the :pint:
Re: Why Gnome?
it is stable
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Re: Why Gnome?
Honestly, I only use CentOS for server setups and I don't install X at all. don't need it for a server. if you want to "see" what you re doing, there are several web based 'remote' administration tools out there like webmin that are more than adequate.
As a business desktop, if I use Cent, I typically go with gnome because I have come to the conclusion that Gnome lends itself to networked environments better. ( just my opinion based on personal experience).
If I use KDE, it is more likely to be on stand-alone home user desktops, where I believe it is best suited for.
Big Bear
As a business desktop, if I use Cent, I typically go with gnome because I have come to the conclusion that Gnome lends itself to networked environments better. ( just my opinion based on personal experience).
If I use KDE, it is more likely to be on stand-alone home user desktops, where I believe it is best suited for.
Big Bear