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15:05:54 <rbowen> #chair kushal kbsingh
15:05:54 <centbot> Current chairs: kbsingh kushal rbowen
15:06:02 <rbowen> #topic Cloud SIG
15:06:07 <rbowen> #topic Roll Call
15:07:01 * rbowen is here, obviously. :-)
15:08:15 <rbowen> #topic OpenStack
15:08:27 <rbowen> The only thing I have is a reminder that we have a test day for Newton milestone 2 a week from today.
15:08:56 <rbowen> #info OpenStack newton 2 test day, July 21, 22
15:08:58 <rbowen> #link https://www.rdoproject.org/testday/newton/milestone2/
15:09:23 <rbowen> And that I am still awaiting word about a possible RDO BoF at OpenStack Summit in Barcelona
15:09:32 <rbowen> Anybody got anything else? kushal? number80?
15:09:43 <kushal> rbowen, I don't.
15:10:11 <kushal> But I think we should discuss about the future of the SIG in a future meeting.
15:10:53 <rbowen> In order that we can actually have some people attending?
15:11:30 <rbowen> In the coming week, I'll work at trying to more actively get the word out about the meeting, and see if we can get more people showing up.
15:11:58 <kbsingh> there's actually 3 things there
15:12:32 <kbsingh> 1) people at the meeting... which we should get a few more of, and effective refuse to do things out of band. that just creates opaque decisions
15:13:16 <kbsingh> 2) the work being done in the SIG - of which, there is a LOT of - and we should try and get some reporting around it
15:13:41 <kbsingh> 3) facilitating and cross SIG work ( eg. using ansible / puppet from configmanagement sig, and ceph/gluster from storage SIG etc )
15:14:01 <kbsingh> that (3) is something there isnt much happening around at the moment, and i we might want to workout something around
15:14:04 <dneary> rbowen, Sorry, was AFK
15:14:14 <dneary> rbowen, Back now
15:14:30 <rbowen> Do you have anything to report from the ODL community regarding the Cloud SIG?
15:15:13 <dneary> rbowen, Nothing since the conversation we had over email with Livnat Peer
15:15:22 <rbowen> ok.
15:15:38 <kbsingh> can you summarise that meeting ?
15:15:43 <kbsingh> or conversation
15:16:03 <dneary> She was looking for guidance about where it would be best to package OpenDaylight - CentOS Cloud SIG or OPNFV
15:16:47 <rbowen> Basically what I mentioned in last week's (unlogged) meeting.
15:17:10 <dneary> The ODL engineering team in Red Hat is working on packaging ODL for productization in Red Hat OpenStack, and would like to have an upstream channel for the packages to be built and made available to the community
15:17:15 <rbowen> And the feedback was that we wanted to have both groups int he same SIG, but with different repos.
15:17:21 <number80> rbowen: nope (sorry, this is national holiday here)
15:17:33 <rbowen> number80: ok. Happy Bastille Day!
15:17:35 <number80> dneary: it can be a separate channel consumable by both
15:17:39 <rbowen> kbsingh: Re #2 - I see one email to centos-devel in the last month regarding Cloud SIG work. What do you think we can do to increase visibility of the lots of work?
15:17:43 <kbsingh> dneary: rbowen: how does this map to the work dfarrell07 had done ?
15:17:59 <kbsingh> ie. is this effort going to be to go from source to distribution binaries / testing etc ?
15:18:00 <number80> kbsingh: very different way of packaging
15:18:00 <dneary> The nuance is that her team is primarily focussed on a reduced set of ODL features (Neutron-NB, ODL Controller, OpenFlow, OVSDB-NetVirt and OVSDB-Southbound
15:18:22 <kbsingh> number80: yeah, that was my question really
15:18:39 <number80> dfarrell07 is just repackaging upstream binaries (no rebuild from sourcess) and openstack NFV is relying on MEAD
15:18:39 <dneary> kbsingh, dfarrell07 took the binary distribution from ODL and wrapped it in an RPM, basically (that's over-simplifying a bit, but that's the gist)
15:18:47 <number80> I personally like neither of those
15:18:57 <dneary> Livnat's team is building from scratch in Red Hat build infrastructure
15:19:19 <number80> I prefer though that we actually rebuild from sources to detect early integration issues at compile time on EL7
15:19:28 <kbsingh> number80: +1
15:19:39 * dfarrell07 is here FYI, +1 to all said so far
15:19:41 <dneary> number80, That's the plan of Livnat's team
15:19:49 <kbsingh> if you are only building after release, its always going to be a struggle
15:20:20 <dneary> I also want to ensure that whatever they do does not preclude people from installing other modules that Red Hat is not productising
15:20:26 <number80> actually, if dfarrell07 is going to Barcelona summit, I'd like to invite him to RDO team work session
15:20:39 <dneary> Like SFC, GBP, NetConf, BGPVPN, etc
15:20:49 <number80> I'd like to introduce him to DLRN, and see if we can reuse it for ODL master builds
15:21:07 <dfarrell07> number80: I sent a talk, we'll see if it gets in (that's what normally determines if I can go, but maybe this would be enough reason too)
15:21:13 <number80> my teammate jpena is working on making DLRN reusable for non-RDO project
15:21:20 <rbowen> So, regarding Barcelona, we haven't yet found out how to request BoF sessions, so that's still on hold. But we'll figure out how to get a room/time eventually.
15:21:28 <number80> dfarrell07: I hope you'll come then :)
15:21:42 <dfarrell07> DLRN does seem like the way to go for ODL, from the little I know
15:22:00 <dneary> DLRN?
15:22:02 <kbsingh> unfortunately, i wont be able to make it to barcelona, would have been good to see everyone again
15:22:10 <number80> dneary: RDO continuous delivery platform
15:22:23 <dneary> Oh - Delorean
15:22:24 <number80> we rebuild (almost) every upstream commit in master branch
15:22:31 <number80> Yeah, trademark issue :)
15:22:41 <dneary> First time I've seen the acronym
15:22:44 <kbsingh> its not a car, its a buildsystem
15:22:56 <number80> Yup, we renamed it few months ago
15:23:05 <rbowen> Amusingly, DLRN on the RDO sign for OpenStack Summit got "spell corrected" to "Digital Learning Resource Management", which I then had to cover up.
15:23:11 * Arrfab wonders what happens if it builds at  88 Miles/hour
15:23:12 <dneary> Nor a time machine, I guess?
15:23:12 <number80> lol
15:23:13 <rbowen> Red Hat Summit, rather
15:23:47 <number80> well, since most RDO team will be in Barcelona, we'll look planning work sessions during the week
15:24:01 <rbowen> https://goo.gl/photos/Unbf7mBtKoPova4R6
15:24:18 <number80> so it's good time to have other people who wants to collaborate on integration topics with us
15:24:34 <number80> haha
15:25:24 <rbowen> number80: Do you know what the process is for requesting a work session room for the design summit?
15:26:46 <number80> rbowen: well, as we're not an official project, I'm not sure we can get a room, but in Austin, we just did work sessions in the hacker lounge
15:27:33 <rbowen> How about under the auspices of the RPM Package project?
15:27:48 <rbowen> Is that dishonest?
15:27:50 <number80> Politically sensitive :)
15:28:01 <rbowen> ok.
15:28:46 <number80> Mirantis folks wouldn't mind, as they want to work with us on some topics, but not all distros are on that wavelength
15:29:10 <rbowen> ok, I'll keep working on getting a BoF slot, but that's just an hour, and tends to be very full.
15:29:58 <number80> Yes, but I'll work with other folks to have some schedule published and defined meeting points
15:30:39 <rbowen> We'll start an agenda for the BoF a little closer to the event. :-)
15:30:49 <number80> or goal concerning * SIGs is to help other project join existing SIGs or create their SIGs if it makes sense
15:31:29 <number80> we want to build upon a strong infrastructure ecosystem within CentOS
15:32:06 <number80> so anyone who wants to learn about our workflow/tooling, we're more than happy to share and help
15:33:41 <rbowen> Ok, do we have anything else?
15:34:15 <number80> nope, from my side
15:34:31 <dneary> Thanks all
15:34:57 <rbowen> #endmeeting